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Blog Activity 3: Feminisms May 21, 2009

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The textbook chapter on gender and social movements discusses many definitions, types, and waves of feminism. In your personal journal entries you’ll be discussing what feminism means to you and how you came to understand feminism. However, in this space I’d like us to discuss a type of feminism not addressed by the textbook authors, post-feminism. One definition is provided here. In short, post-feminists assume that the feminist movement (the one characterized by the liberal, second-wave type of feminism) worked and that women have achieved the equal status they sought for so long. Post-feminist perspectives can be found in pop culture examples such as Cosmopolitan and Sex and the City, where women’s earning power (READ: power to consume, buy things) symbolizes the end of the long fight for gender equality.

What other pop culture references can you think of that embody post-feminist ideals? Do you think these examples (the ones I’ve listed and your own) are representative of the current state of feminism(s)? Why or why not?

 

74 Responses to “Blog Activity 3: Feminisms”

  1. sam1503 Says:

    A few examples of contemporary people that I believe help embody post-feminist aspects are Hilary Clinton, Madonna, Julia Roberts, and fashion designers Coco Chanel and Vera Wang. We all know that Hilary Clinton was the first woman Presidential Candidate which is a huge step in feminism. She is probably the number one example, during our time, of a symbol that women have reached the point where we are equal, to men. Also, I think the success of both Madonna and Julia Roberts says a lot about how far we have come with feminism. Madonna was the first woman to perform explicit acts in a public setting and be seen as powerful for doing so. Julia Roberts is one of the highest paid actors in this time, when only men used to receive that title. Finally the success of Coco Chanel and Vera Wang says a lot about the status of the equality of men and women.

    I do believe that both the examples you have given, as well as the ones I presented are accurate representations of feminism today. If we didn’t have the movements in the past women today would not be able to do the remarkable things they are doing. For us to have a female Presidential Candidate, I think, says enough about our current society to support the claim that earlier feminist movements have been successful in gaining equality for women. The empowerment that Sex and the City portrays furthers the idea of post-feminism by encouraging women to never settle for less than greatness, while making sure that women are always treated as equally as men.

    • melissam4 Says:

      You make some good points. I agree that these women are great examples of women changing the face against feminism, however, these women also represent the feminism that still exists today. For example, lots of people didnt vote for Hilary simply because of the fact that she was a women. Although she made great strides for women, she also displayed that feminism is still, unfortunately, still in existance, and very strongly by some people.

      • ginasurrette Says:

        I agree. These three women are a grand example of the change in feminism over the years. However, women will always maintain certain characteristics that separate them from men and thus cause feminism to exist in the first place. It is wonderful that these women are powerful, glorious role models for women around the world. I see them as inspirational a motivational for women to lift up their self worth.

    • jenwaybright Says:

      Julia Roberts was the first person I thought of with her huge salaries and how active she is in the political realm. She can pull in a big check, one that is surely bigger than her husbands and she also goes out there and speaks her mind on what she believes. Great example!

      • mattymac Says:

        Even though Julia Roberts makes a huge sum of money for her roles, when it comes to film and television acting, men overall still make considerably more money than women. While Hillary Clinton represents a greater stride toward political equality for women, in the arts and entertainment realm, there is still a great deal of inequality toward women.

        Here is a list of the top-earning actors and actresses for this most recent year. Notice how, out of the ten listed, only two are women.

        http://screencrave.com/2009-01-02/top-ten-paid-actors-of-2008/

    • kmacklin1107 Says:

      I think another great representation would be Oprah Winfrey. She is a woman that many women today look to for advice, and she is a woman of power. She has helped many girls in Africa find themselves and see that they can be more than just the mothers. She has helped people everyday find their own voices, and has helped some realize that they are strong and powerful. She has shown that women can be just as strong as men, and that she doesn’t need to have a guy telling her what she can and cannot do.

      • sam1503 Says:

        I agree. After writing the first post I started thinking about other examples and Oprah came to mind. Not only is she a huge example of how far feminists have come, but she serves as a role model for women’s actions. Because she represents a strong female who can accomplish the same things as men can, women who look up to her and follow in her footsteps are influenced to do the same.

  2. kirstenpowell Says:

    I definetly agree that Hilary Clinton has been a key player in a post-feminist society in continuing to challenge men in politics. She is a political icon in America and throughout the world. She did at one time play the role of first lady, which can be said to have gendered herself in accordance to a man. She played the wife role in the White House of former President Clinton. She broke through this mold and shaped herself as a political figure by becoming a Senator and being a Presidential nominee. It is interesting to point out that her position in President Obama’s cabinet is “Secretary” of State. As Gamble and Gamble mention, a secretary is job associated with females and is not a job typically held by men. It is intriguing that she was placed in this role. By doing so do you think that Obama was placing a gender role on her?

    The textbook also talks about how black men were given the right to vote 50 years prior to women. A black man did beat the women in the campaign for the presidency but I highly doubt that the American public will have to wait 50 years before they see their first female president. The female voice throughout history has been quieted but it will not be long before herstory occupies the oval office.

    Another example of a post-feminist in the media is Oprah Winfrey. She has built Harpo, Inc. from the ground up. She is an innovator. She is one of the richest and most successful females in America. I do not think there is one American who does not know Oprah Winfrey and the legacy she has built.

    It also interesting to consider Oprah’s love life. She has had a long term relationship with a man, but she has never married. I think this is because she loves to have the intimacy and company of a significant other, but she does not to need to have an attachment to a man to define herself. I think it is good that she never married because her strength is not undermined by “being someone’s wife.” She is lucky to have found someone who is ok with that. He s/o is ok that she is a strong independent woman. Oprah does not play traditional roles. She takes care of the children of the world, but has no children of her own.

    i think Oprah and Clinton are both representatives of a post-feminist era, however, I would not consider them representative of pop culture. Oprah would be to an extent, but I believe the impact they have made is due to their politics. Cosmo and Sex and the City on the other hand are clearly another form of this post-feminist era. The two you listed affect American women and to some Cosmo is their Bible. I think it is a mixture of a lot of different aspects that represent the current state of feminism. This is only to be expected as women become closer and closer to being equals to men.

    • Jessie Wright Says:

      I really like how you brought up Oprah’s love life. Until you said that, I had never thought about how her love life shows her true independence. It was a good point to be made. She does have a significant other, but she will never be titled as anything other than the name she has made for herself. She is not a wife, but always plain and simple, Oprah. She has established a name, which has become her title. Being Oprah, herself, is her title and career. I think it is amazing she has done this for herself and become SO successful.

    • melaniebahr Says:

      Oprah was the first person I thought of when I read the blog assignment. She is truly successful without the dependance of a man. She doesn’t need anyones approval or permission to do what she thinks is right.

      • vrobbins Says:

        This is completely irrelevant, but did you know Harpo spelled backwards is Oprah? Interesting, huh? Pretty confident lady to start a big company named after her.

      • lckupke Says:

        Another bit of irony:
        In the Color Purple, Oprah’s character Sophia married a man named Harpo. Sophia was also much like Oprah, a strong-willed African American woman who stood out in her community because she refused to accept the oppression brought on by the men in her life.

    • mattymac Says:

      I like how you compared how Hillary Clinton’s role of being the First Lady to her new position as Secretary of State. She is definitely representative of a woman who has gone from the traditional role of the woman to the new, more powerful role of the woman. I doubt that President Obama was engendering her by giving her the title of “Secretary” of State. She is only the third female to hold the position, after Madeline Albright and Condoleezza Rice.

  3. Lauren Says:

    Condolezza Rice, the first African-American woman to hold the position of Secretary of State, embodies post-feminist ideals because she entered a male dominated profession and proved that women have achieved an equal status with men. I think Rice is a good representative of current feminists because she has achieved success that many women have had been trying to do for years, and she showed that women can hold office and do just as well as men. Watching Rice in the news you never her saw her ‘crack,’ she always looked composed and confident which I admire. Another person in the media that I think embodies post-feminist ideals is, my favorite, Oprah Winfrey. Oprah went from a news anchor in the 80’s to one of the most influential women on television today. Oprah is a good representative of the current state of feminism because she proves that you do not have to be a man to have power and wealth. She is one of the richest women in the world who has donated much of her wealth to projects, such as, her donations to the victims of Hurricane Katrina and the her Angel Network charity that promotes making a difference in underprivileged lives. Though, I believe her biggest achievement was establishing her leadership academy for girls in South Africa that teaches leadership skills to girls while giving them a good education.
    I believe the examples I gave were good representatives of the current state of feminism because, Rice and Winfrey, are two African-American women who thrived in their professions, and they have shown women and girls that it is possible for a woman to achieve the same status and accomplishments as a man. They also are two women that are considered very powerful, which you usually only associate with men in politics and media, and they came from very little to become two of the most recognizable names in the United States. I think your example of Sex and the City is a good representative because all the women characters on the television show are very successful, and have a lot of money which you do not see a lot in television. Especially the character, Miranda, who always talks about how she will never let a man degrade her and she always talks about how women should be independent, and not dependent on men. I can see how the Cosmopolitan example would be a good representative of the current state of feminism because it is a magazine just for women and the editor-in-chief is a female, the only problem I have with that example is sometimes it is not a good representative of women. It seems like a magazine that gives women advice and includes stories of empowerment of women, but you can also look at it as men’s magazine. A lot of the stories are how to please guys, what guys like, what guys do not like, etc, so in that aspect I do not agree with the magazine being a good representative for post-feminism.

    • vrobbins Says:

      I agree with you on the Cosmopolitan magazine. I read it a few years ago and felt like it was encouraging women to become something that men would like. It had lot of sex material and how to perform better in bed as well as how to achieve a hot body for the summer. I read a magazine called All You that is geared more towards moms (even though I’m not a mom) and it includes workout routines to lose weight or to tone up. I feel like Cosmopolitan in this regard is still catering to how to look good for a man. I don’t see how that is empowering women.

      • mattymac Says:

        I agree, Torrie. My friend subscribes to Cosmopolitan, and I actually flipped through one of her issues when I was bored this past semester. I was shocked at how overtly sexual the content was in regard to the “how to please a guy” and “get the guy you want” type of material. Also, so much of the magazine is marketing products to women that sells them the lie that if they buy it, a man will want them more because of it.

        Similarly, the Axe commercials (as well as several others, but I’m being specific) sell the belief that if a man wears Axe deodorant or showers with Axe body washes, that women will find him irresistible. Apparently men and women receive the same type of marketing messages in order to be persuaded to purchase products.

      • flipmyflops06 Says:

        There are many articles in Cosmo that talk about how to please men. My roommates a subscriber and I actually went through all the latest issues from this year. Two of the eight articles featured on the cover talk about him, his pleasure, and his hot spots. For example, on the cover of the latest issue, one highlight of an article entitled “Best. Sex. Ever.” reads, “Our gutsy new tips are guaranteed to give him the most badass orgasm imaginable. And you too!” This indicates that in order to have good sex, the man has to be pleased first, and the woman comes second.

        Another interesting article title featured on the cover of the latest issue is “Be A Lucky Bitch!” Cosmo is using the word ‘bitch’ instead of saying ‘women’ or ‘girl’. The media is using derogatory terms to describe women. Women are using derogatory terms to describe each other. Many girls call each other these degrading terms jokingly possibly because the media tells them that is what they are.

      • sam1503 Says:

        I agree! I refuse to read Cosmo because it supports the idea that women are not good enough the way that they are. They enforce the idea that women are only completely happy when satisfying men in every way.

  4. emily9988 Says:

    One of my favorite televisions shows is the prime-time drama “24.” This show is full of action and suspense. However, what sets this TV show apart form the rest is the explicit content and the controversial topics that arise. During season 5 of 24, A woman president is elected into office. Everyone that I’ve talked to has agreed that she does a great job of handling all the turmoil that she endures under a great deal of pressure during her term of office. There is no prejudice of her being a woman in a presidential position, and people take her authority very seriously. Most of the members of her cabinet are men, and they show her great respect for being their boss and president of their country.

    Another key woman character in the 5th season of 24 is Renee Walker of the FBI. Renee breaks out of her shell of always following what is lawful and takes risks that normally would be taboo. She works along side Jack Bauer (the main character) while he defies rules and regulations, tortures people, and puts her life at risk. As her character progresses in the season, she takes on the role of Jack Bauer when he is elsewhere. This is especially apparent in the season finale when she knocks one of her own FBI agents unconscious to defy the rules and do what she believes is right. She’s quite a risk taker and, even though I don’t always agree with what she does, she stands by her actions and isn’t afraid to take credit for them.

    Both of these characters from 24 embody the post-feminist movement. They prove that women have the equal authority to act in positions that have been known to be reserved for men. These two women are main characters of this season of 24, and this shows that post feminism is alive today, giving women authority and equality in various aspects of the work force. Even though these characters are fictional, we can see real parallels to their behavior in Hilary Clinton and Michelle Obama for their roles as influential first ladies as well as holding their key roles in society.

  5. catherineporter07 Says:

    The first thing that came to mind was the show “The View” on ABC. The hosts include Barbara Walters, Whoopi Goldberg, Joy Behar, Elissabeth Hasselback, and Sherri Shepards. (I know this only because my mom used to watch it religiously).
    This show includes women of succcess from a variety of different backgrounds, professions, and racial differences – yet all of which have been successful and driven in their career path.

    While I do believe that this show could be viewed as an example supporting post-feminism, I can also see how it represents the current and ongoing struggle in the mind’s of females to achieve power or recognition. While “The View” does talk about a variety of political and social issues, it seems that a topic of discussion that returns on this show is issues facing women in the workfield, political arena, and in the home.

    I do agree that Cosmopolitan and Sex and the City are accurate examples of feminist ideals, particularly a representation of the opposition dissinegrating. However, In some ways it seems that Sex in the city for instance works against itself. While it does portray successful, independent women, we also see the characters at various points wishing that maybe they hadn’t chosen this type of lifestyle- that maybe the equality they were seeking after wasn’t as great as it appeared.
    Also, I agree with what Lauren said about Cosmopolitian. Much of the magazine has been devoted to how to sexually, emotionally, and relationally please a man – which could definitely be viewed as a support for the idea that women are made for men and to please men.

    • sbarmstrong Says:

      “The View” has always seemed to have a strong feminist on the cast. I would say Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar are the spokesman of women’s rights on this season as both remain unmarried and independent of males, while Rosie O’Donnell has been the radical feminist/lesbian feminist on previous seasons. It is interesting to see how they interact with conservative Elizabeth Hasselback, who seems to favor more traditional roles.

  6. Jessie Wright Says:

    Everyone before me has great examples, so it is hard for me to think of a unique one. When reading the post, the first people to pop into my mind, number one, Hilary Clinton. I do not particularly like her, but she has made a huge part of history. She ran for the highest power of all, and didn’t loose by a lot. I definitely see a woman President in the near future (SO EXCITING). Someone else mentioned Oprah and the woman of The View, which I also agree with.

    So I tried to think of my own examples, and my guilty pleasure of reality TV kicked in. The Real Housewives of NYC is about a group of successful woman who live in NYC. Each woman on the show has a successful business, and almost all of them have a charity or multiple charities they support. In the show, the woman are filmed doing their hair, getting nails done, shopping, or in some way show them spending the endless amount of money they all have. The thing I love about it is, they all make their own money, have families, and a social life. They have a powerful say in situations, because the stand they have made for themselves. The show makes their husbands seem like an accessory, like they are not needed for the income source, but for glamour. The great thing is the woman give back. To them, a few thousand for a charity is pocket change that they are willing to spare.

    I agree with the Sex and the City, but not with Cosmopolitan. For one I LOVE Sex and the City! Again in this show, all the woman are wealthy, and independent. The one bad thing about this show is it is unrealistic. I read in an article, that it is near impossible for them to be spending that much money, especially Carrie who is a writer, on their salaries. None the less, the show portrays woman living their lives not depending on men, but just looking for someone to entertain them, not financially support them.

    As Lauren and other people have mentioned, I see Cosmopolitan having a huge part of their magazine dedicated to pleasing a man. Yes, there are articles of a wide range, some dealing with ways of bettering yourself, but it is hard to pick up the magazine and NOT have a cover story of bettering your man.

    • Lauren Says:

      I agree with your example of the Real Desperate Houswives show (I watch it too a lot). Most of the women in all the Desperate Housewives, such as, Orange County, New Jersey, and NYC, all have their own profession and though they are married to a rich man, they all became successful on their own. I think that it is a good represenation of post-feminist ideals because it shows these women making a living and not just subjecting themselves to their husband and their home. Eventhough a lot of people see the women on that show as snobby and gold diggers, many are not and have the means to support themselves which I think is inspirational to women.

    • melaniebahr Says:

      I was reading Cosmo today and actually thought of the same thing. The Top Articles (the ones listed on the front pages) rarely are for female gratification of any type. It is always about pleasing your man, great gifts for him, etc. There are a few feel good article for women but not often. This makes me believe that many women still feel subordinate to men, making this one of the best selling magazines.

  7. mransone Says:

    I completely agree with the examples everyone else has already presented. Hilary Clinton was the first feminist to come to my mind. She has been in the news for the past couple of years, because she was a Senator and she ran for President of the United States. Every time I saw her speaking on the news she would say something about her concerns for women. Therefore I connected her to being a feminist, because she is very concerned about the strides she makes for feminism.

    Another woman that I connect with being a feminist is Kate Gosselin, from Jon and Kate Plus 8. Kate has been in the news for the past couple of weeks for over her husband having an affair. I saw Kate on an interview and she said that if Jon isn’t going to stay in the marriage, she will keep living and move on. She is a very strong woman and she only cares for the welfare of her children, which is the reason I connect her to being a feminist. I also heard that she gave Jon permission to do whatever he wants as long as he shows up for filming of the show, because the show is the only way she can provide for her eight children. I know I could never tell my husband he could do whatever, but Kate is very independent and she doesn’t need a man to be happy.

    I also agree that Sex in the City embodies the post-feminist ideas. The four women are carefree and are all very independent. I always watch an episode before I fall asleep and in a recent episode I just saw, Miranda had her baby boy. Miranda isn’t married because she is very independent. This shows post-feminist ideas, because a hundred years ago having a baby and not being married was unacceptable.

    • kirstenpowell Says:

      Kate is definetly a powerful woman. I recently was browsing the tabloids while waiting in line at the grocery store. The front of the magazine had a before and after (the show) picture of Kate. They labeled her from going from “mom to monster.” This term monster seems to be how a patriarchal society characterizes strong independent women. The very idea of labeling her for being strong means that feminism is still present today. The fact that she pushes forward shows her strength. This strength is a vital characteristic that must been seen in the media in order for women to further their journey of becoming equals to men.

      • mransone Says:

        I can’t believe they called her a monster, because she is independent, especially because her husband may have cheated on her, she has every right to be mad! This really does show we are still having problems with feminism!

      • vrobbins Says:

        I can’t stand it when women are labeled as being crazy, out of control, let alone monster when they show some sort of strength and power. I don’t necessarily care about all the tabloid gossip, because I don’t believe it, but one thing is for sure, they do a pretty darn good job at making women look bad when they actually stand up for themselves. I love Kate and she has every right to speak her mind, regardless of if her husband cheated on her or not.

    • Jessie Wright Says:

      I just watched the first episode of season five, I think, of Jon and Kate Plus 8. Kate was so strong during the whole show. She was teary eyed for a minute, but kept saying I’m here for my kids. She is definitely someone I would think of as a strong feminist. She is already starting to shine in the situation as such a great mother, business owner, and triumphant woman.

      (Jon is an idiot for cheating on her!!!)

      • chloea Says:

        I’ve only watched a couple episodes here and there of this show, but Kate definitely seems the more dominant character. She has more to say during the interview clips within the show and keeps things organized. While this seems post-feminist, could the organization and being on top of things for all her kids simply be fulfilling her role as a mother? It’s something to think about…

      • mattymac Says:

        I thought about that, too, Chloe. Through fulfilling the role of mother, is she truly independent or is she stuck in that role of the mother and housewife? I’ve never seen the show, so I cannot speak on it myself.

        Though, it leads me to probe, and this question is directed toward the ladies: do you agree with the idea that being married is defining yourself through an attachment to a male? Our textbook contends that several women (and men) do take this view. I was wondering what you all thought.

        Also, the portrayal of Kate as a “monster” in the media reminds me of how this past semester in COMM 250, Dr. Baughman mentioned how the media has a hard time dealing with strong, independent women. Usually, whenever a woman who demonstrates these characteristics is portrayed in the media, she is also demonstrated or assumed to be, to quote Dr. B., a “bitch.” Apparently women with power have to be mean at the same time.

    • flipmyflops06 Says:

      I love John and Kate! I was also appalled at some of the accusations that were placed against Kate. I think its interesting that this seemed to be triggered by John’s bad decisions. Possibly because John’s image as a father and husband was shattered the media felt the need to hit Kate twice as hard.

      Also, while I do believe Kate is incredibly strong and definitely the dominant spouse, I think her contract with John to do whatever as long as he comes to the show is interesting. While this shows she is strong because she doesn’t need a man emotionally, it also shows her economic dependency on him. Without John, she could not earn the money necessary to support her eight kids and herself.

      • sbarmstrong Says:

        Matt,
        You asked, “do you agree with the idea that being married is defining yourself through an attachment to a male?”
        I do not believe that marriage is a self-defining event. I believe that marriage is not about attachment, rather is is focused on a commitment to each other. I believe a marriage is a partnership and both parties should contribute to duties and responibilities equally. I have never seen Jon and Kate Plus 8, but marriage does not mean giving up independancy by attachment to male.

      • mbest88 Says:

        I think Kate is a very strong woman, but she is also crazy. I really wouldn’t be surprised if she went out and cheated on Jon. She treats him like crap all the time, yes she is stressed and has eight kids, but she is awful to him. I’ve watched the show since the start. At the beginning she was a strong, wonderful mother, and a good, supportive wife. In the recent season she has become more and more harsh towards Jon, and I really wouldn’t put the accusations in the media past her.

    • cahendy Says:

      What do you mean when you say Miranda isn’t married because she is very independent? Has she made a choice to just never get married or has it just not happened. I think it is wrong if a woman feels they have to not get married and raise a baby on their own to show their independence. It almost sounds like she isn’t married to prove that she is independent. I think it is very possible to be married and raise a baby with your husband and still be independent, what do yout think? I have never seen the show so I have no clue what this character is like I am just wondering if you could elobarate a little bit.

  8. ginasurrette Says:

    I think a wonderful example of post-feminism in our world today is the female news anchor. The women to participate equally along side men in political debate. it shows that a females mind is just as brilliant as a mans if not more at some points. However, the majority of these female news anchors, have fantastic bodies, shiny hair, beautiful faces, and the best jewelry on. These physically characteristics and requirements show that the male and possibly female high standard of what a woman should look like is emphasized. This is not bad at all thought because it promotes beauty and brains and good health; an ideal that all women should try and posses.

    I agree that you’re representation of post-feminism and my own are current and accurate. They are also positive. The reason they are positive representations of post-feminism is because women who see other people doing and being powerful, caring, and smart want also to be that way. Post-feminist has moved women away from being the stereotypical home maker to independent and clever.

  9. jenwaybright Says:

    Before the weekend, I read the blog and was struggling to think of someone new to throw out as an example, so I figured I’d take the weekend to think about it and then come back today. Well over the weekend my brother was over and he turned on the Indy 500, now I’m not a racing fan by any means, but Danica Patrick’s story came on during a break and I immediately thought of this entry. She has broken into a COMPLETELY male dominated field, has been quite successful(she placed third this weekend) and has plans of breaking into the field of NASCAR. She definitely embodies post-feminist ideals in my opinion. I even did a little research into her and recently, after hearing that she wanted to come into NASCAR, one of the drivers said she wasn’t ready. He even stated that he doesn’t think that she is ready because she’s a woman, because she is out there giving the guys a run for their money, but she just isn’t ready to make the jump. I thought that clarification made a big stride in women in sports, that was just my thinking though.

    I also agree with the Sex and the City and Cosmo examples; they all encourage strong, independent women in various forms. The only thing with Cosmo is there is still always at least one article about satisfying your guy or being a good girlfriend or something along those lines, so while it has made big strides, there are still downfalls to the magazine.

    • mransone Says:

      It is really sad that this woman tries so hard and exceeds in her sport and breaks down all these barriers in the sports world, and she is told that she can’t do something because she is a woman! We are suppose to be in post-feminism, but it seems there are still problems in our society. I hope that she gets into Nascar and proves that guy wrong.

      • jenwaybright Says:

        Sorry, I mis-typed…it was supposed to be that it’s NOT because she is a woman, but that she doesn’t have the skills necessary! Oops!

        Just thought I’d clarify that! Sorry!

    • kmacklin1107 Says:

      I think it is also interesting how almost every sport out there that is a male sport always has a female counterpart. There is baseball and then softball, there is men’s basketball and women’s basketball. Some of the main sports that do not have a counterpart are ones like hockey and football. And it is because many time men consider women to be to weak and emotional to play these sports. Men see women and think that if they play a rough sport like that then they are going to get hurt and cry.

      • mmpike Says:

        I think that Dancia is a great example. But I have a problem when we get into sports, because so much of sports is physical, and when we get down to it men are stronger then women. It’s biology, we can’t fight it, and when we do, well bad things happen, and thats illegal. Neither one of yall said anything that would counteract my statement, but I think sometimes we forget about basic biology. I think women should be given chances in sports, and ample opportunity to prove themselves. Our skills can definitely be the best, but when it boils down to it, men are built differently and in a way that makes them, more often then not, stronger and faster then women.

    • sbarmstrong Says:

      I also watched the Indy 500 this weekend and thought about how women have entered male dominated sports. kmacklin is right is pointing out that male sports have female counterparts, making it even more extraordinary when women prove themselves among the men. Michelle Wie has played in 14 PGA tournaments, all historically male competitions. Fabiola Da Silva, an inline skater, has successfully competed in male competitions. And, as mentioned, Danica Patrick has also proved many wrong as she demonstrated this weekend she can “hang with the guys.”

      • cahendy Says:

        Their is a big diffrence between Danica Patrick and Michelle Wie. Danica is good enough to win with the men where as Michelle Wie has not even proven she can win with the women. I think the PGA should be for men as long as the LPGA is around. I would be all for a woman golfer playing in the PGA if she wins every LPGA event but I know that MIchelle Wie is not that. Danica is great becuase she can compete and sometimes be the best at what she does regardless of the fact that she is a women, but Michelle Wie only embaresses herself by competeing in the PGA tour and not playing well enough to even compete.

      • kmacklin1107 Says:

        I am not saying that women should play sports like football with men, but maybe that there could be like football leagues of women. There are female wrestlers and boxers, so the argument that women are not strong should not be the issue, because these women have proven that they are in fact strong and can handle the pain and the pressure. I do not feel that men should wrestle women because I do agree there that men are stronger than women and could hurt a female.

      • mmpike Says:

        I hope my comment wasn’t misunderstood, I was simply stating that we need to remember and acknowledge that there are differences between men and women. This doesn’t directly apply to the sports topic, but in general, I think when we think of equality we think that men and women should be treated the same. But we are not the same. We are two very different types of people, and our differences should be acknowledged and embraced. From other class discussion I’ve started to see that many people want to disregard those differences, and that we should turn a blind eye to gender. But I disagree, I think equality is different, and important, but that we should embrace the differences between the genders.

  10. melaniebahr Says:

    An example of post-feminism in the media is the show SEX AND THE CITY. It represents the idea that women can survive with the dependance on their female friends. It does not rule out men completely because at one time or another each of the 4 girls is in a relationship. They are not anti-men (except for a few episodes) but they do not make men their priority.

    Carrie, is the main character. She is devoted to her job and provides for herself. She has everything she needs and wants and has men coming in and out of her life but nothing too stable. So she never reaches the point of relying on a man or a man relying on her. She is Independent.

    Miranda is probably the most stereotypical feminist out of all of them. She is a lawyer that has a more masculine haircut and wears business pantsuits almost everyday. She is definitely a control freak and this leads to some unsuccessful relationships due to her need for dominance.

    Samantha seems to always be in control of her men. She never has relationships and seems to have her men wrapped around her finger. When she says jump, they ask how high. She is a successful business woman as well that owns her own PR company and has no interest in a serious relationship or becoming dependent on any male.

    Charlotte is the least feministic out of the group of friends. She desperately does want a man in her life. But, at the same time she knows that a man is not everything and she always values the relationship that the 4 women have together.

    I think this show does a great job a representing a vast range of feministic idea. There are different extremes and this show covers a broad range of them. I think that women enjoy watching this show because it makes them feel like they too can be strong single women. So it is a feminist show that brings out the feminism in its viewers.

  11. mmpike Says:

    It seems many of us have come up with the same examples, especially Hilary Clinton. But I think we forget about strong government women of Sandra Day O’Connor and Condaleza Rice (sp?). Sandra Day O’Connor of the Supreme Court is a great example for me. I don’t know very much about her, but she is woman who held her own in the an area that was dominated by men. The same goes for Rice. I’m not saying that Clinton is not a prominent woman because she has made many strides for women in this country. But think of how she go placed on the map. She was the FIrst Lady before she was a senator. Her “rise to power” if you want to call it that was a result of her husband’s success. If President Clinton had never been elected, would Senator Clinton be as successful as she is today? I don’t know how valid this arguement really is because I don’t have all the facts, but I think its important to realize that Hilary was “First Lady” first, a position that is all woman. Many First Ladies have made strides, but they are still the counterparts to their dominate and successful husbands.

    • mattymac Says:

      You make a good point. Would Hillary have gotten so far in this past presidential race if it were not for Bill Clinton’s previous political importance and strides?

      Many First Ladies of the past several years, however, have been much more politically active than in the past. Not only are they supportive of their husbands, but they are active in supporting changes in issues such as education and women’s rights.

  12. chloea Says:

    I, too, would present Hilary Clinton as an example of post-feminism. She received a presidential nomination and that would have been unheard of years ago.

    After searching for something post-feminist that no one has already mentioned, Princess Diaries 2 popped into my head. While I know this is a cheesy movie, it makes a point. Queen Clarisse has been ruling Genovia since her husband’s death. Mia Thermopolis, her granddaughter has come of age to take over the thrown, but is given an ultimatum that she must be married within a certain time frame or she forfeits the thrown. An arranged marriage is her only option. Upon her wedding day, Mia begins walking down the isle only to stop and call off the wedding. Instead she makes a speech persuading the cabinet to allow her to rule without a husband. Permission is granted, and women acquire other political roles originally gendered as male.

    I would say that Hilary Clinton, Mia Thermopolis, Cosmo, and Sex and the City each depict post-feminism. While I don’t watch Sex and the City, I do know that it’s about women being successful without husbands.

  13. chloea Says:

    Another example of post-feminism would be women in leadership roles within the church, whether that be pastoral or among the deacons. This is highly debated right now, but I’ve been to churches where this is acceptable and churches that stick to male leadership.

  14. vrobbins Says:

    What about Tyra Banks? She is all about empowering women! She created a foundation called the TZONE Foundation for young teenage girls. It’s a week-long overnight camp held just outside of L.A. There the girls are taught positive values and encouraged to use those values to overcome the pressures that society puts on us women. Tyra will personally stay with these girls during the wek and help them to boost their self-esteem. She has a passion for young girls to take control of their lives early and achieve their dreams regardless of the obstacles that face them. Unfortunately, the camp doesn’t exist anymore, but the foundation remains. She also is a very animated, not-so-shy woman. She embraces her womanhood and is proud of it. She encourages women to be happy with what they look like. For example, there was an episode that I remember watching of her revealing her weight on live TV, another episode revealing her age. Then, her entire audience did the same thing. These are two big secrets that women keep to themselves and Tyra is all about being open and honest. Although, I don’t agree with everything she stands for, I think she is great in that she is successful and powerful in a male-dominated field, yet embraces her femininity all while operating and doing her job.

    I responded on an earlier post about my view on post-feminism in Cosmopolitan magazine. However, I have never watched Sex and the City. From the posts that I’ve read, it sounds like the women are mooching off of their men or are attempting to live an independent life away from men, but it’s not realistic. I think that it would better to portray a more realistic show if the goal was to reinforce this type of feminism.

    • McNally Says:

      To be honest Being a guy, i dont watch many of these womens talk shows, however i have seen a few of tyrahs shows. I agree with you about her being a great model for how the womens movements have progressed. She is an outstanding figure who is all about being honest. Her main goal in her show from what ive seen is to get people to become true to themselves and just be open about how they feel. Thats how it should be women or men shouldnt feel that they have to hold anything in because it would be against the ways of society.

  15. tgbaldwin32 Says:

    I also agree with many people before me, the first person that came to mind was Hillary Clinton. She is very independent and defiantly has as much power as any man if not more than most in politics. It seems that every time she goes public with anything it has something to do with feminism and power for women.

    Also the second person that comes to mind for me is Opera. In my opinion she is the product of the feminist movement. She has everything that the feminist movement was going for, she is independent, and has her own TV talk show in a business that is dominated by men, like DR. Phil, Maury and others that I don’t remember the name to.

    These two individuals I think are the most prominent examples of post feminism.

  16. scnuhoy87 Says:

    When it comes to this argument every statement that I have read make valid points on women who are making strides in post-feminism. Many of the comments that I agree with in the political spectrum are Condoleezza Rice (Secretary of State), Nancy Pelosi (Minority Leader, House of Representatives) who was the first female speaker of the house, and although I agree with all that say Hillary Clinton is a powerful woman but I do have to disagree with all that are saying that she was the first woman presidential candidate because in the United States we have had a few before. The first woman candidate, Victoria Woodhull, was a candidate for the Equal Rights Party in the late 1800’s and later on Senator Margaret Chase in 1964 became the first woman to be represented by a major party, and even received votes from New Hampshire, Illinois, Massachusetts, Texas, and Oregon, just to name a few and could possibly have won if she had not pulled out of the campaign.
    Everyone before have been talking about political woman and pop culture women who are great influences, but no one has really talked about the business women making a difference. There are many influential post-feminist women now in business such as, Indra Nooyi, who is the chairman and CEO of Pepsi. Nooyi offset a slow beverage market by expanding more internationally and now the international market represents 26% of the revenues for Pepsi. The next woman is Irene Rosenfeld, the chairman and CEO of Kraft Foods, who turned around the company by implementing a 3 year process called “the big cheese of all turnarounds.” This plan ended up building the company up that was once flat lining in stock, but with the plan helped the company jump over major companies such as AIG in the DOW. The last woman I want to talk about is Anne Mulcahy, the chairman and CEO of Xerox, who when Xerox stock went down to their 2006 totals, she made the biggest turnaround for a company by taking Xerox (not ranked by the Fortune 500) to number 3 in the Fortune 500 ranking for profit growth. Along with this when Anne Mulcahy steps down and passes the reins over, she will be passing them over to Ursula Burns, which will make the first time in history that there is a woman to woman hand over of a Fortune 500 company.
    Women have been making great strides throughout the years to fully become equal, and even with woman being not aloud to vote, as mentioned in the previous comments, until after black people were allowed to. Women have made great progress and hopefully soon in the world everyone will be equal and women will be able to continues to prosper in this world.

  17. mattymac Says:

    I think it is interesting that several are mentioning Hillary Clinton, but what about the other high-profile woman in this past presidential race?

    Sarah Palin is definitely a polarizing figure. Although she is the first female governor of Alaska, and she was the second female vice-presidential candidate, many have differing viewpoints as to her role and influence as a woman, especially in the political arena. There are those who believe that she was chosen merely for the fact that she is a woman. If this is the case, then by the fact that members of a male-dominated political party chose her for her status as a woman, seeing it as an asset, does that empower her? Others believe she was being used by those men in order for them to keep their political power. Many feminists do not support her for her conservative positions such as her pro-life stance. Does Sarah Palin do more harm than good for feminism?

    Overall, I agree with the examples that others have used to illustrate the ideals of post-feminism. However, I must say that post-feminism is more pretense than truth, in my opinion. Based on the definition Dr. Stern provided, post-feminism assumes that equality has been achieved, when it all actuality, it has not. Not only does inequality still exist between men and women, but now men are starting to face discrimination and prejudice based on their sex. Feminism takes the view that women suffer inequalities at the hands of men, but men are now suffering inequalities at the hands of a society that embraces feminism and is attempting to be “politically correct” and to reconcile years of injustices. To me, it is a bit premature to state we are in a period of post-feminism. That is not to say that great strides have been made, and we are closer to equality than we have been in the past.

    Not only do I believe that post-feminism is more of a pretense, but it also purports false beliefs that people, especially women are encouraged and persuaded to believe in. Take note of Dr. Stern’s definition of power. If power is defined as the power to consume and buy things, are women truly equal to men, or are they still slaves to a capitalist hierarchy?

    I mentioned in an earlier comment about how Cosmopolitan has so many advertisements (the magazine itself is a marketing tool) that use the claim, “Buy this product to get a man” in order to sell products to women. I found this blog post that argues post-feminism is truly stating that women’s power is based on consumerism, not equality with men. In the consumer market, women are often portrayed as buying the most things and are the most targeted demographic for marketers.

    “Women are powerful and equal to men if they can consume just as freely as men.”

    http://community.feministing.com/2009/01/post-feminism-at-its-best-wors.html

    Posted by twoafter909 on January 24, 2009

    Is post-feminism legitimate is a part of the feminist movement, or is it a pretense that is being sold (literally) to women to believe that equality has been achieved?

    • tgbaldwin32 Says:

      In response to your comments about Sarah Palin, I do not think that she is doing more harm than good for feminism. I believe that she is a great example of post-feminism, because she was in a position to be nominated for VP, which means she had to be qualified for the job despite the fact that she was a woman. I don’t claim to be any political expert but it would defy logic to have a VP without any qualifications simply because of sex.

  18. katelyntemple Says:

    i agree with Mattymac that even though Julia Roberts earns a huge amount, men still earn more in most cases. Also, most have focused on Hillary Clinton. Other women have been on the Presidential ticket, but none have been successful. I think it is very important to remember that. Something is holding women back from the ultimate success of winning. Also, it has been mentioned that she played a traditional wife/mother as first lady. The role of first lady today I believe demonstrates post-feminism. Clinton & Michelle Obama are very active in the public sphere through this position. They have more power and influence just and because of the title. What is important is HOW they use the title. Both have been very active and promoted political causes. Im pretty sure Michelle Obama is involved in her husband’s women’s council.

    • katelyntemple Says:

      In reference to Lauren’s comments about Cosmo. magazine:

      I’ll admit that I am a subscriber. A great deal of the articles give women advice in regards to love life and also work life. An article that stands out to be was about handling a sexist boss. This is very practical, and chances are women will at some point encounter a sexist figure of authority. This clearly domonstrates post-feminism to me. Though feminists want sexism to end, preparing women to deal with it is the next best alternative. Articles such as this show women in the work place, not in the home.

      As Lauren said tons of the articles are ‘how to please men.’ I can see how you believe this does not embody post-feminist ideals as it makes women seem lower than men, or as if they work to please them. However, we cant ignore the fact that women DO want to please men. With this, I do not think it is something women should be ashamed of or that it prevents them from gaining equality. Men also want to please women, I am sure magazines such as Men’s Health have articles on pleasing women. Just because women want to satisfy the me they are with i do not believe it means they are not a modern feminist.

  19. katelyntemple Says:

    After thinking about the meaning of a post-feminist a bit more, I am not sure if I would consider Hillary Clinton an example. Her success and power demonstrates that the women’s movement has made progress. She is a symbol of hope and success to many aspiring women. However, would she really believe that the feminist movement has worked, and accomplished its goals? I highly doubt Clinton would say women have achieved an equal status. Yes, Clinton is very successful but she did not win the presidential race. Many were against her just because she is a women. My guess is Clinton believes women still have a great deal of work ahead of them and are not equals yet.

    • jenwaybright Says:

      I completely agree with your statement that many were against her because she was a woman and quite a few were very vocal about that standpoint. She was also completely analyzed in terms of how she wasn’t feminine enough; if I remember correctly they even changed up her wardrobe to reflect her makeover. Her gender definitely played against her as much as it helped her.

  20. melissam4 Says:

    One person that comes to mind when I think of post-feminism is Miranda Priestley from the movie “The Devil Wears Prada.” Although the movie is based on the horrific circumstances faced and expected by the high profile editor of Runway Magazine’s assistants, Andrea, one of the main characters actually defends her boss in one clip. She explains that Miranda is given a bad wrap for running the magazine the way she does simply because she is a woman. Andera goes on to explain that men in Miranda’s position do the same thing and are only respected for it while a woman is still respected, but given some harsh names. I agree with Andrea and her defense against Miranda. Although it is Andrea that is being faced with the harsh working conditions imposed by Miranda, she still realizes the politics of the situations and acknowledges that as woman, Miranda has to put on a hard face, one that may even be more strict than a man in order to stand next to the men in a high business industry. The movie also displays that althout Miranda is top boss of Runway magazine, she’s part of Elias Clark, a larger company that encompasses Runway. The chairman of Elias Clark is a man, and a short, stout one at that. So, even though Miranda is head of Runway, she still has to deal with the big man above her which displays more gender differences and maybe even some inequalities. The movie shows the head of Elias Clark to be a calm, composed man with all the power while Miranda is a mean, composed woman struggling to keep her position and run things the way she sees fit. Yet again, the man has the overall dominating power and the woman, although she also has power, is devising ways in order not to have it taken away from her in one swoop.

    • catherineporter07 Says:

      I definitely see what Melissa is saying. How often does it occur that an action taken by a woman that is looked down upon is encouraged by men? However, perhaps this movie also shows negative attributes associated with women. As you noted, Miranda is viewed as “mean ” while Elias Clark could be described as “calm”. This reminds me of the post feminine studies we looked at in a course I took last summer that focused in on the depiction of a woman as either the “mad women in the attic” or “the angel in the kitchen”. Perhaps what this film is continuing to suggest is that women cannot perform the same roles men can in the workplace -as Miranda is known for her harsh demeanor.

  21. katelyntemple Says:

    Mattymac already mentioned this, but what about Sarah Palin? She is much more conservative, but why cant she be a feminist? She never said she does not want men and women to not be equals… She didnt run based on feminist beliefs, but is a modern example of a successful woman. She stands out to me because of her successful career and ability to run a family. Just because she chose to be the more stay at home type, and not the power suit women, it does not mean she does not have the same goals for women.

    A television example I thought of that has not been mentioned is Private Practice. In the show the women are all holding high up positions or even the boss. The main character is Addison montgomery, formally on Grey’s. She left Seattle Grace and moved to LA. She is displayed as very strong and powerful as a female Doctor. She is portrayed as a woman of authority, very successful and wealthy. Charlotte King is another woman in this show who appears to be an example of post-feminsim. She holds a powerful position, director of a hospital, and is making a lot of money, more so than the males. I do NOT think this is representative of feminism today.

    Shows focus on the success and authority women have but do not include the struggles. In reality, women are paid much less than man, and are less likely to get a job over a man. Women also tend to be placed in lower levels of a field, especially in regards to medicine. Men tend to be the positions that get paid the most and women are in a position of the field that does not receive as high of pay. I want to say this is refered to as the ‘glass ghetto.’ Also, men that are hired into typically female dominated fields tend to be paid more. This is especially true in nursing. Shows such as Grey’s Anatomy and Private Practice never show struggles such as these.

  22. kmacklin1107 Says:

    The names mentioned in the comments above, Julia Roberts, Hillary Clinton, Sarah Pallin, Tyra Banks, and Oprah Winfrey, are all great examples of women who have helped to make a change in today’s time. These women have shown that it is possible to have great accomplishments and do things equal to what a man could do. While Hillary Clinton did not make it as President, she was still seen as such a great leader she got put into the position of Secretary of State, and while Sarah Palin did not make it as the Vice President, many are willing and ready to vote for her in the next election if she runs as President. These women are paving the way for girls of my generation to make it in this world and to make something of themselves. While they might not make it, they are going to make it a little bit easier for one of us to step up and make great things happen.

    Even though time has passed, many women today are still at fear of losing their job before a man will. In the movie “Knocked Up” the main girl character had to hide her pregnancy due to the fear that she would lose the promotion that she just received. Men never have to worry about that fear of losing a job due to having a child. There are still some standards in this society that need to be fixed, and some minds need to be changed on the roles that each person play. I feel that in today’s time women should be allowed to hold a job if they want, and if the husband wants to stay home with the kids then that should be allowed and not looked down upon.

  23. McNally Says:

    Although i cant say im an expert on the refrences you gave, I did search around and from what I have seen, i agree with your refrences. For the most part these womens magazines such as Cosmopolitan or another one i was looking at called “Seventeen” are all about how the women of todays culture are supposed to be. The front page covers and article titles blow my mind. All about how you are supposed to have the perfect body and how to acheive it to look good in a bathing suit. Or other ones such as how to get a guy in bed, or tips on exploring sexual positions. These are all the types of articles that you will find on the cover of these big magazine companies. I feel that the women that have and some that still do fight for womens rights are in a way their efforts are being shot down when these magazines come out and pretty much put women out their like a peice of meat. (sorry if im offending anyone.) Mens magazines arent much better but its just in todays culture, we are being brought up that if you look good, have a great body, wear a certain cologne or perfume then you will succeed more so then the just out of the ordinary guy or girl who doesnt do all these things that the magazines and media tells us to do. All of the reality shows on tv about having ya know 20 or so girls trying to impress one guy and they get kicked off or whatever happens is another example of the view on women and our culture today. Our media is setting wrong examples of how the women and men are looked at.

    • cahendy Says:

      I could not agree more that women’s efforts are shot down by some magazines that are filled with good looking women. Even cosmopolitan that apparently supports post feminism is full of women who are made to look like a piece of meat and articles about how to look better or even perform better sexualy. It bothers me how even some of our peers will get all mad at me for making a joke about women and how I view them but then they go and watch all those trashy reality shows and read the magazines that portray them in a way that all they have to offer is their bodies.

  24. cahendy Says:

    I have never read cosmo or scene sex and the city so those examples do not help me very much. The one woman I immediatly thought of then happened to see a special on her on espn this weekend was Danica Patrick. Somebody already mentioned her earlier I noticed but she has broken into a male dominated sport of indy car racing and has been succesfull (unlike all those female golfers who think they can keep up with Tiger). The thing I love when I was watching the special was she is always around men when she is working and not many women can really relate to her but she is still very femine. She is beautifull and still carries herself like a lady which I imagine would be hard. The other thing I loved is when she won her first race she cried very hard and was very emotional, not only because she won the race but because she was the first woman to ever do it. I think its awesome that she was succesfull in a mans sport and beat the men but still showed her femininity by being emotional after the race. Not many men cry after they win something in sports, and granted for her it was not only a win int he race but she also won in a way for women so there was much more emotin involved.

  25. sbarmstrong Says:

    While I think women have made great strides in gaining equality between males and females, I would argue that women have not totally acheived a status of equality. I believe women are still discriminated against, especially in business America. The concept of a glass ceiling comes into play as women strive to climb the corporate ladder. The opportunities are visible but are unable to be reached. The reality is different than the impression of the situation.

    Having said, I do believe there are various pop culture references arguing that we have indeed reached a post-feminist society. Clinton, Rice, Palin, Oprah, as well as other female atheletes, advocates, actresses and political figures have been mentioned as prime examples of powerful women. These figures have given hope to women who want to prove themselves and become something greater than they could have imagined. But do they represent the current state of feminism? I believe they do. Not to contradict my previous statement but used as a method of support, these women still face issues of discrimination. As someone stated earlier, many did not vote for Clinton due to the fact she is a woman. People doubted Danika Patrick’s ability to compete in races because she is female. The media gives harsher judgement to the lives of women in the spotlight than they do men. Cosmo cannot tell you to improve youself without improving your man first. Sure these influential women give hope to those seeking equality, but they have faced the very challenges that they are fighting for today. Things are better, but not equal.

  26. jenwaybright Says:

    I just got onto yahoo and this article was at the front page.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_supreme_court

    I think we have another example. :)

  27. lckupke Says:

    I agree with Oprah and most of the names already mentioned, but here are a couple others:
    Mary Kay- she founded a business that was specifically designed to get women working and making money. She encouraged women to be financially independent and provided them a career with unlimited earning potential. I think her company and legacy definitely embody the post-feminist mentality.
    Barbara Walters- she was hired by ABC and became the first woman co-anchor for a network evening news program. She broke into a male-dominated journalism industry and rose to the top in the 1970’s. Now she is an icon for journalism hopefuls- both men and women. We all know how successful she is now, but did you know when she first started out in the 60’s on the Today show, she was only allowed to ask the guests questions after the male interviewers had finished asking theirs?

    • mbest88 Says:

      I definitely agree. Barbara Walters is such a strong figure in our society. I would have never thought of her, but seeing what you wrote got me thinking. She has accomplished so much, and is definitely a good example of someone who has had an impact on post-feminism.

  28. flipmyflops06 Says:

    I could only think of a few more examples. I believe the TV shows, Judge Judy and Commander and Chief, portray post-feminism. On the list of top paid TV stars (link below), Judge Judy is number three under Oprah and Simon Cowell, making a whopping $30 million a year. Not only does her income reflect her success, her position does as well. Being a judge requires making important decisions. Traditionally this has been a male-dominated profession. In order to keep women out of this profession, it was argued that women were incapable of this high-stature position because their emotionality would interfere with their ability to judge objectively. Judge Judy has proved this wrong and has become a woman of even higher stature through her fame and income. She is a good example of someone who has achieved equality in more than one way.

    Commander and Chief is a somewhat futuristic TV series about a woman president. She is addressed as “Madame President” when broadcasting information to the public. Having a woman in one of the highest positions available and addressing that she is a female familiarizes our culture with having a capable female president.

    http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/07/25/the-highest-paid-stars-on-tv/

  29. mmpike Says:

    I mentioned early the fact that Hilary Clinton was First Lady before she was Senator. First Ladies are a huge part of Feminism. What do yall think about the role the First Lady now plays in society. Post- Feminism or not? What about her power coming from her husbands success? But, she still holds more power then in the past. THoughts?

  30. mbest88 Says:

    I agree with many of the comments before. HIlary Clinton, Julia Roberts, and Kate from Jon and Kate plus eight have all played huge roles in post-feminism. Personally I believe that Miranda Bailey from Grey’s Anatomy plays a strong role in the post-feminism society. She plays the role of a very powerful and strong woman surgeon. Not only is she showing her strength as a woman, but she is a wonderful surgeon. She has acheived so much. The show shows her strength as she tries to be a world-class surgeon and keep her family together at the same time. Her husband is not the most supportive, but she manages to keep everything held together. When she is not at the hospital she is a wonderful mother to her baby boy.

    Despite recent tabloids Kate plays a strong role in post-feminism. She runs the household of a family of ten. Not only is it a family of ten, but she has six toddlers. Some parents have trouble keeping up with one toddler. She is an extremely strong woman, and has accomplished a lot. Before the recent tabloids she was a good example to all moms out there.


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